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This is an archive thread, the active thread is USA to Canada to USA Cabotage situations / booking / issues
In simple terms, it is forbidden to transport passenger or good between two USA locations exclusively on non-USA flagged vessels / aircraft.At least one segment in or out of the USA must be on a USA flagged carrier.
Such as traveling EWR-YYZ-ORD all on AC. This is true for paid flights, award flights, separate tickets. If there is a "stop" in the non-USA city, it may be OK.
Another case would be East Coast-West Coast- International location by a foreign flagged carrier. This flights exist but no boarding at the first airport is allowed to disembark at the second. It is possible to add passengers but but no one can leave at the second USA airport.
Another actual case was GUM-ICN-USA , this led to DOT fines Asiana for violating cabotage laws
Related threads Need to clear NRT security when USA-NRT-GUM? Cabotage if 1 segment is UA operated?
Cabotage
Cabotage (/ˈkæbətɪdʒ, -tɑːʒ/) is the transport of goods or passengers between two places in the same country. It originally applied to shipping along coastal routes, port to port, but now applies to aviation, railways, and road transport as well.
Cabotage rights are the right of a company from one country to trade in another country. In aviation, it is the right to operate within the domestic borders of another country. Most countries do not permit aviation cabotage, and there are strict sanctions against it, for reasons of economic protectionism, national security, or public safety. One notable exception is the European Union, whose member states all grant cabotage rights to each other.
Cabotage (/ˈkæbətɪdʒ, -tɑːʒ/) is the transport of goods or passengers between two places in the same country. It originally applied to shipping along coastal routes, port to port, but now applies to aviation, railways, and road transport as well.
Cabotage rights are the right of a company from one country to trade in another country. In aviation, it is the right to operate within the domestic borders of another country. Most countries do not permit aviation cabotage, and there are strict sanctions against it, for reasons of economic protectionism, national security, or public safety. One notable exception is the European Union, whose member states all grant cabotage rights to each other.
Jones Act / Merchant Marine Act of 1920
Cabotage is the transport of goods or passengers between two points in the same country, alongside coastal waters, by a vessel or an aircraft registered in another country. Originally a shipping term, cabotage now also covers aviation, railways, and road transport. Cabotage is "trade or navigation in coastal waters, or the exclusive right of a country to operate the air traffic within its territory". In the context of "cabotage rights", cabotage refers to the right of a company from one country to trade in another country. In aviation terms, for example, it is the right to operate within the domestic borders of another country. Most countries enact cabotage laws for reasons of economic protectionism or national security; 80% of the UN's member states with coastlines have cabotage law
The cabotage provisions relating to the Jones Act restrict the carriage of goods or passengers between United States ports to U.S.-built and flagged vessels. It has been codified as portions of 46 U.S.C. Generally, the Jones Act prohibits any foreign-built, foreign-owned or foreign-flagged vessel from engaging in coastwise trade within the United States.
Cabotage is the transport of goods or passengers between two points in the same country, alongside coastal waters, by a vessel or an aircraft registered in another country. Originally a shipping term, cabotage now also covers aviation, railways, and road transport. Cabotage is "trade or navigation in coastal waters, or the exclusive right of a country to operate the air traffic within its territory". In the context of "cabotage rights", cabotage refers to the right of a company from one country to trade in another country. In aviation terms, for example, it is the right to operate within the domestic borders of another country. Most countries enact cabotage laws for reasons of economic protectionism or national security; 80% of the UN's member states with coastlines have cabotage law
The cabotage provisions relating to the Jones Act restrict the carriage of goods or passengers between United States ports to U.S.-built and flagged vessels. It has been codified as portions of 46 U.S.C. Generally, the Jones Act prohibits any foreign-built, foreign-owned or foreign-flagged vessel from engaging in coastwise trade within the United States.
Such as traveling EWR-YYZ-ORD all on AC. This is true for paid flights, award flights, separate tickets. If there is a "stop" in the non-USA city, it may be OK.
Another case would be East Coast-West Coast- International location by a foreign flagged carrier. This flights exist but no boarding at the first airport is allowed to disembark at the second. It is possible to add passengers but but no one can leave at the second USA airport.
Another actual case was GUM-ICN-USA , this led to DOT fines Asiana for violating cabotage laws
Related threads Need to clear NRT security when USA-NRT-GUM? Cabotage if 1 segment is UA operated?
USA to Canada to USA Cabotage situations / booking / issues {Archive}
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USA to Canada to USA Cabotage situations / booking / issues {Archive}
Slightly stupid question, but coudln't find the answer. What's UA or CO's policy on routing a US-US award through Canada? (AA specifically prohibits this, but both UA/CO websites are somewhat vague with the usual "direct routing" verbage. Then again, this routing adds only 300 miles on top of the non-stop)
There's no MPM published for the city pair for UA (granted that's pretty common for most north america pairs). Yet, the routing is bookable as a revenue ticket (combination of two fares ABC-Y** and Y**-DEF).
Thanks
There's no MPM published for the city pair for UA (granted that's pretty common for most north america pairs). Yet, the routing is bookable as a revenue ticket (combination of two fares ABC-Y** and Y**-DEF).
Thanks
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IIRC it is not cabotage since the airlines have made sure that frequent flyer miles is not defined as a currency and technically the ticket is not being sold.
I have booked several award tickets from mainland US to Guam mixing UA and CO with AC, NH, CA, and OZ, which is not ok on a revenue ticket due to cabotage restrictions. The same should apply to Canada. YMMV
I have booked several award tickets from mainland US to Guam mixing UA and CO with AC, NH, CA, and OZ, which is not ok on a revenue ticket due to cabotage restrictions. The same should apply to Canada. YMMV
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If you mix carriers, there's no cabotage. Cabotage only applies when a single carrier is involved. I don't think there's any difference between an award ticket and a revenue ticket.
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Take an ORD-LGA routing connecting in YYZ, with UA operating ORD-YYZ, AC operating YYZ-LGA. I always took the cabotage rules to mean AC can't sell that connection, since they can't legally sell an ORD-LGA ticket. But I was also under the impression that UA could sell that routing since they are a US carrier providing a domestic itinerary, just connecting in a Canadian city.
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Mixing home nation's flagged carriers with another=ok. Not including a nation flagged carriers on intranational flying=not ok.
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Doesn't Cabotage more apply to a foreign carrier selling the actual ticket, vs. whether or not you are mixing carriers?
Take an ORD-LGA routing connecting in YYZ, with UA operating ORD-YYZ, AC operating YYZ-LGA. I always took the cabotage rules to mean AC can't sell that connection, since they can't legally sell an ORD-LGA ticket. But I was also under the impression that UA could sell that routing since they are a US carrier providing a domestic itinerary, just connecting in a Canadian city.
Take an ORD-LGA routing connecting in YYZ, with UA operating ORD-YYZ, AC operating YYZ-LGA. I always took the cabotage rules to mean AC can't sell that connection, since they can't legally sell an ORD-LGA ticket. But I was also under the impression that UA could sell that routing since they are a US carrier providing a domestic itinerary, just connecting in a Canadian city.
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Just tried BOS-YYZ-FLL in X (economy) even though the stop at YYZ was a few hours, and the system broke the fare at YYZ. I was quoted 25,000 miles. The agent on the phone said connecting a US-US journey in a foreign country was not allowed.
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I did PDX-SFO-YVR-IAH-GJT-DEN-FCA and it was allowed as a "short" haul one-way award for 10K (booked on ual.com) so at least online, it's allowed. Now that I think of it, last March, I did JAC-DEN-EWR-YUL-ORD-SEA-PDX and that was 10K too since JAC-PDX is less than 700 miles. ^
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I did PDX-SFO-YVR-IAH-GJT-DEN-FCA and it was allowed as a "short" haul one-way award for 10K (booked on ual.com) so at least online, it's allowed. Now that I think of it, last March, I did JAC-DEN-EWR-YUL-ORD-SEA-PDX and that was 10K too since JAC-PDX is less than 700 miles.
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Hello,
I'm fairly new to UA (previously on AC). I was wondering if it is possible to book awards from Canadian airport to Canadian airport (eg: YYC-YUL). I can't seem to do it online...is there any way to do over the phone? I know it is possible to buy ticket from US to US on AP but we have to call as the website won't allow for it. Just wanted to see if the same was possible with UA. Also wanted to know if it would have an impact to the number of points required for a trip.
Kind regards
I'm fairly new to UA (previously on AC). I was wondering if it is possible to book awards from Canadian airport to Canadian airport (eg: YYC-YUL). I can't seem to do it online...is there any way to do over the phone? I know it is possible to buy ticket from US to US on AP but we have to call as the website won't allow for it. Just wanted to see if the same was possible with UA. Also wanted to know if it would have an impact to the number of points required for a trip.
Kind regards